You cannot answer a question by filing a lawsuit.

Man suing for answers on how his wife died.

Here is the quote from the article: “Grieving husband Colin Cross is taking legal action in his quest for answers as to how his wife died in Mexico

Arch of Cabo San Lucas

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earlier this month.”

A San Diego attorney suing a Mexican company for a Canadian. That set of circumstances alone will probably prevent any real resolution. On top of that, how are you going to collect from a Mexican defendant.

Finally, lawsuits don’t answer questions. Lawsuits move money around.

See Man takes legal action in wife’s Mexico scuba death

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Skier/Boarder Fatalities 2011-2012 Ski Season 3/15/12

This list is not guaranteed to be accurate. The information is found from web searches and news dispatches. If you have a source for information on any fatality please leave a comment.

If this information is incorrect or incomplete please let me know.  This is up to date as of March 15, 2012. Thanks.

#

Date

Resort

Age

Skier Ability

Ski/ Tele /Boarder

Helmet

Reference

1

11/18/2011

Vail

62

Skier

Yes

http://rec-law.us/rBcn7A

2

11/18/2011

Breckenridge

19

Expert

Boarder

Yes

http://rec-law.us/rBcn7A

3

11/27/2011

Mountain High ski resor

23

Beginner

Boarder

Yes

http://rec-law.us/uGuW17

4

12/18/2011

Sugar Bowl ski resort

7

Expert

Skier

http://rec-law.us/viAqCR

6

1/11/2012

Ski Apache

29

Skier

No

http://rec-law.us/zdfQ4k

7

1/12/2012

Sugarloaf ski resort

41

Skier

Yes

http://rec-law.us/yNHkuc

8

1/14/2012

Silverton Mountain Ski Area

25

Expert

Skier

http://rec-law.us/zcw6MB

9

1/17/2012

Heavenly Mountain Resort

34

Boarder

Yes

http://rec-law.us/yRAXXc

10

1/18/2012

Aspen Highlands

30

Boarder

Yes

http://rec-law.us/wv7vDs

11

1/18/2012

Mt. Hood Meadows Ski Resort

15

Boarder

No

http://rec-law.us/AAnq46

12

1/19/2012

Park City

29

Boarder

Yes

http://rec-law.us/w0k4Pe

13

1/20/2012

Copper Mountain

51

Yes

http://rec-law.us/wD06TR

14

1/20/2012

Whiteface Mountain

25

Yes

http://rec-law.us/wDkcfl

15

1/21/2012

Vail (skied into closed area)

13

Expert

Skier

http://rec-law.us/xdhVcp

16

1/22/2012

Winter Park

28

Expert

Skier

http://rec-law.us/A0bbt

17

1/24/2012

Steamboat Ski Area

32

Boarder

http://rec-law.us/wF9UFc

18

1/24/2012

Taos Ski Valley

60

Skier

http://rec-law.us/wUl1Vz

19

1/25/2012

Keystone Ski Area

54

Skier

http://rec-law.us/AihrSt

20

1/27/2012

Mt. Hood Skibowl

17

Boarder

http://rec-law.us/zzD3KB

22

1/30/2012

Seven Springs Mountain Resort

36

Skier

http://rec-law.us/yOwgDg

27

1/31/2012

Solitude Ski Resort

74

Skier

No

http://rec-law.us/w68s4A

23

2/1/2012

Squaw Valley

51

Skier

http://rec-law.us/xqDrGE

26

2/4/2012

Sugarbush Resort

41

Skier

Yes

http://rec-law.us/zTDKPK

33

2/4/2012

Ski Windham Mountain Resor

54

Skier

http://rec-law.us/ySA8W4

24

2/5/2012

Keystone Ski Area

58

Skier

No

http://rec-law.us/wH6QJA

30

2/6/2012

Mount Snow

33

http://rec-law.us/ABqYPQ

28

2/8/2012

Vail

37

Yes

http://rec-law.us/zF4Ck2

29

2/9/2012

Keystone Ski Area

72

Yes

http://rec-law.us/A9YwUD

31

2/11/2012

Jay Peak Resort

29

Boarder

Yes

http://rec-law.us/x3rzek

32

2/11/2012

Terry Peak Ski Area

24

Skier

No

http://rec-law.us/A0BvQq

34

2/18/2012

Sun Valley

 http://rec-law.us/GB3TCy

35

2/19/2012

Copper Mountain

15

Boarder

Yes

http://rec-law.us/xHsBHH

36

2/26/2012

Keystone Ski Area

24

Yes

http://rec-law.us/y4CANi

37

2/23/2012

Northstar California

52

Yes

http://rec-law.us/zgqcTZ

38

3/1/2012

Burke Mountain Ski Resort

70

Yes

http://rec-law.us/xOjOY7

39

3/8/2012

Copper Mountain

18

Skier

Yes

http://rec-law.us/xotYaO

40

3/9/2012

Keystone Ski Area

23

Skier

No

http://rec-law.us/xJ2THl

41

3/10/2012

Terry Peak Ski Area

54

Skier

http://rec-law.us/ADkQWq

42

3/10/2012

Loveland Ski Area

71

Skier

No

http://rec-law.us/Ajhcko

43

3/14/2012

Crested Butte Mountain Resort

36

Skier

No

http://rec-law.us/w3lbdr

44

3/16/2012

Northstar California

51

Skier

Yes

http://rec-law.us/FQM5hK

45

3/18/2012

China Peak Ski Resort

30

Boarder

http://rec-law.us/FQ2kwq

46

3/18/2012

Sierra-at-Tahoe

54

Skier

http://rec-law.us/FVYq4q

47

3/19/2012

Sugar Bowl Ski Resort

20

Boarder

http://rec-law.us/GAucKe

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Skier/Boarder Fatalities 2011-2012 Ski Season

This list is not guaranteed to be accurate. The information is found from web searches and news dispatches. If you have a source for information on any fatality please leave a comment.

If this information is incorrect or incomplete please let me know. Thanks.

# Date Resort Run Run Difficulty Age Skier Ability Ski/ Tele /Boarder Cause of Death Helmet Reference
1 11/18 Vail Gitalong Road Beginner 62 Skier Yes http://rec-law.us/rBcn7A
2 11/18 Brecken-ridge Northstar Intermediate 19 Expert Boarder suffered massive internal injuries Yes http://rec-law.us/rBcn7A
3 11/27 Mountain High ski resort Chisolm trail Beginner 23 Beginner Boarder internal injuries Yes http://rec-law.us/uGuW17

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Ski Area Fatalities -2010-11 Ski Season to date: 4/18/11

This list is not guaranteed to be accurate. The information is found from web searches and news dispatches. If you have a source for information on any fatality please leave a comment.

Yellow Highlighted Fatality was an employee at work

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# Date Resort State Age Skier Ability Ski/ Tele /Boarder Cause of Death Helmet
1 11/22 Wolf Creek Ski Area CO 41 Expert Skier No
2 12/2 Snowmass CO 22 Skier Yes
3 12/12 Cannon Mountain NH 18 Skier No
4 12/18 Wolf Creek Ski Area CO 35 Expert Boarder hyperextended his neck backward, rupturing an artery
5 12/19 Cannon Mountain ski resort NH 31 Boarder
6 12/21 Beaver Creek Ski Area CO 59 Skier blunt force trauma Yes
7 12/24 Hogadon Ski Area WY 5 Skier massive chest injuries Yes
8 12/24 Hogadon Ski Area WY 22 Boarder massive chest injuries No
9 12/26 Aspen Mountain CO 77 Expert Skier suffering a broken
10 12/27 Mountain High ski resort CA 24 Beginner Boarder No
11 12/28 Discovery Ski Area MT 21 Expert Skier blunt force trauma injuries Yes
12 12/29 China Peak Ski Area CA 29 Boarder asphyxiation
13 12/29 Whitefish Mountain Resort MT 16 Skier Taken off life support 1/2/11
14 1/2 Keystone Ski Resort CO 38 Boarder blunt force trauma Yes
15 1/9 Whitefish Mountain Resort MT 29 Boarder Yes
16 1/9 Snowbowl AZ 22 Boarder
17 1/11 Heavenly Mountain Resort 57 blunt force trauma to the left side of her chest
18 1/12 Jackson Hole Mountain Resort WY 18 Skier Instantly upon hitting tree
19 1/15 Sugarloaf ME 16 Skier Yes
20 1/16 Windham Mountain NY 18 Beginner Skier Extensive Head Injuries No
21 1/19 Mt. Rose Resort NV 15 Boarder Head injuries No
22 1/22 Granlibakken Resort CA 22 Boarder blunt force trauma
23 1/26 Keystone Resort CO 22 severe blunt force trauma No
24 1/27 Anthony Lakes Ski Area OR 24 collided with a tree and suffered head and neck injuries
25 1/28 Crystal Mountain WA 67 severed his spinal cord
26 1/30 Mount Hood Meadows Ski Resort OR 41 Skier No
27 2/4 Hunt Hollow NY 54 Yes
28 2/4 Hunt Hollow Ski Club NY 54 Skier Yes
29 2/6 Eldora Mountain Resort CO 35 Expert Boarder
30 2/9 Sun Valley Resort ID 49 Skier trauma to his head and chest No
31 2/11 Windham Mountain Ski Resort NY 69 Novice Skier extensive head injuries No
32 2/11 Cooper Mountain Ski Area CO 21 fractured skull, a fractured right knee, a broken leg, a broken wrist, many facial fractures and lacerations to his liver and kidney
33 2/12 Snowshoe Mountain Resort WV 22
34 2/16 Sun Valley Resort ID
35 2/17 The Yellowstone Club MT 45
36 2/18 Spirit Mountain WI 12 Skier
37 2/20 Mount Shasta CA 23
38 2/23 Arapahoe Basin CO 32 Skier blunt force trauma to the chest No
39 2/27 Northstar-at-Tahoe CA 30 Boarder impact of hitting a tree or suffocation from landing headfirst in the snow bank No
40 2/28 California’s Kirkwood Ski area CA 25 Skier internal bleeding
41 3/11 Snowmass Mtn CO 73 Skier multiple systems trauma
42 3/14 Beaver Creek Ski Area CO 18 Expert Skier died from head trauma Yes
43 3/16 Welch Village Ski Area MN 65 Skier
44 3/16 Alyeska Resort AK 53 Skier
45 3/17 Howelsen Hill Ski Area CO 19 Skier
46 3/4 Blue Mountain Ski Resort PA 73 Skier head injury Yes
47 3/22 Eldora Mountain Resort CO 21 Skier No
48 3/26 West Mountain Ski Resort NY 17 Skier head injuries and went into cardiac arrest No
49 3/25 Winter Park Resort CO 39 Skier Hit a tree Yes
50 4/8 Winter Park Resort CO 11 Skier Collision with 2 other skiers Yes

First Update: Ski Area Fatalities -2010-11 Ski Season

Second Update: Ski Area Fatalities -2010-11 Ski Season to date: 1/5/1

Third Update: Ski Area Fatalities -11 Ski Season to date: 1/14/11

Fourth Update: Ski Area Fatalities 2010 -11 Ski Season to date: 3/2/11

Fifth Update: Ski Area Fatalities -2010-11 Ski Season to date: 3/26/11

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Complicated serious of cases created to defend against a mountaineering death.

Wrong documents were used in front of the wrong judge. However, the concept of fairness wins out when the court is presented with a fatality and overbearing agreements.

Geographic Expeditions, Inc., v. The Estate Of Jason Lhotka, 599 F.3d 1102; 2010 U.S. App. LEXIS 6606

GeoEx, Geographic Expeditions, a California company runs guided trips on Mount Kilimanjaro. A mother and son from Colorado wanted to climb Mount Kilimanjaro and signed up for the climb. While climbing the mountain, the son experienced fatigue and trouble sleeping. He was sent back down the mountain with an assistant guide. During the descent, he died.

The plaintiffs claim the deceased died because GeoEx did not recognize and properly treat the deceased condition. Supplemental oxygen was available but not administered nor was a “rapid descent” ordered.
GeoEx is not a physician and diagnosing illness by anyone other than a physician is illegal, but who cares in litigation…..

HAPE is difficult to diagnose by a physician. Someone with HAPE may not be able to descend quickly and oxygen rarely does anything to treat HAPE.

There is a screw up because someone did not get the correct medical information in front of a judge.

The defendant in this case did not use a release. Instead, it used a complicated document identified as a “participation contract.” This agreement had a clause that stated:

I agree that in the unlikely event a dispute of any kind arises between me and GeoEx, the following conditions apply: (a) the dispute will be submitted to a neutral third-party mediator in San Francisco, California, with both parties’ equally dividing the costs of such a mediator. If the dispute cannot be resolved through mediation, then (b) the dispute will be submitted for binding arbitration to the American Arbitration Association in San Francisco, California; (c) the dispute will be governed by California law; and (d) the maximum amount of recovery to which I will be entitled under any circumstances will be the sum of the land and air cost of my trip with GeoEx. I agree that this is a fair and reasonable limitation on the damages, of any sort whatsoever, that I may suffer.

A suit was filed in California by the plaintiff. The California judge held under California law that the agreement was unconscionable. California has a specific statute that holds if a judge finds a contract clause unconscionable it can throw the clause out.

Cal Civ Code § 1670.5 (2010)
§ 1670.5. Unconscionable contract
(a) If the court as a matter of law finds the contract or any clause of the contract to have been unconscionable at the time it was made the court may refuse to enforce the contract, or it may enforce the remainder of the contract without the unconscionable clause, or it may so limit the application of any unconscionable clause as to avoid any unconscionable result.
(b) When it is claimed or appears to the court that the contract or any clause thereof may be unconscionable the parties shall be afforded a reasonable opportunity to present evidence as to its commercial setting, purpose, and effect to aid the court in making the determination.

The court found the following parts of the contract as unconscionable. The contract required mandatory arbitration with the costs to be split by both parties. Even if the deceased’s survivors won the arbitration, they still had to indemnify GeoEx. The total amount of money the deceased family could win was what they spent on the trip, or in this case $16,000.

Unconscionable is a legal term that means the parties were in an unequal bargaining position. The was offered the contract on a take it or leave it basis and the terms of the contract are so one-sided and unfair to the wronged party that the contract is unconscionable. Another term applied to contracts of this type is adhesion.
GeoEx argued that the contract was the same as other outfitters would use and the court did not believe them. [Well Yes and No. I do not know of an outfitter that would not use a release. However, I’m not sure about a participate contract.]

This was in a decision in the California Court System Lhotka v. Geographic Expeditions, Inc., 181 Cal. App. 4th 816; 104 Cal. Rptr. 3d 844; 2010 Cal. App. LEXIS 114

GeoEx then filed a complaint in the Federal Court to compel arbitration of the claim as set forth in the contract. The federal court trial judge dismissed the complaint. Geographic Expeditions, Inc., Petitioner, v. The Estate Of Jason Lhotka, 2008 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 105691. The dismissal was appealed and overturned. Geographic Expeditions, Inc., v. The Estate Of Jason Lhotka, 599 F.3d 1102; 2010 U.S. App. LEXIS 6606.

This decision centered on whether the defenses of GeoEx removed the case from Federal jurisdiction. To maintain a case in Federal Court the parties must be from different states and the amount in controversy must be more than $75,000. Here the parties are from California and Colorado. The issue was if the arbitration clause was upheld then the damages would be limited to the amount the parties spent on the trip which was the limitation in the contract they signed or $16,000.

So?

At this point, I’m not sure what the status of the case is. This is what I know.

1. You need to use a release. Releases are recognized by the courts and accepted by the courts. Releases are used by everyone and probably not subject to this type of attack.
2. Contracts for non-necessities or as in this case recreation are not held to the standard of review as a contract for necessities or something that a family must have to survive. This court ignored this proposition.
3. The court brought up the ancient idea that the contract was unconscionable because it was the only option and un-modifiable by the parties. This may force companies to offer to allow people to take a trip without signing a release for a different price. But what price can you come up with to write a check for any injury?
4. The arbitration clause prevented the deceased family from recovering their damages, even if they proved gross negligence. The arbitration clause really ticked off the California court.

The simple fact is if you screw up, and you prevent lawsuits to the point that the court finds the position of the injured party to be unconscionable. The court is going to make sure you lose. If your contracts are not only one-sided but punitive on top of that, the court is going to throw out your agreements.

You can stop a lawsuit. Most states agree with this idea. You cannot stop an injured party from suing and expect them to pay you if you do. Courts do not uphold indemnification clauses in releases. Nor will they uphold an indemnification clause or a fee splitting clause like this when the parties are at such unequal bargaining position and the damages are so great.

Win, but don’t attempt, in advance, to beat your guests into the ground to do so.
For other cases on release see:

Sky Diving Release defeats claim by Naval Academy student
Aspen Skiing Company Release stops claim by injured guest hit by an employee on snowmobile.
If you make a promise to attract participants, you must come through on your promises.
New Florida law allows a parent to sign away a child’s right to sue for injuries.

For general articles about releases see: What is a Release?

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Geographic Expeditions, Inc., v. The Estate Of Jason Lhotka, 599 F.3d 1102; 2010 U.S. App. LEXIS 6606

To Read an Analysis of this decision see

Complicated serious of cases created to defend against a mountaineering death.

Geographic Expeditions, Inc., v. The Estate Of Jason Lhotka, 599 F.3d 1102; 2010 U.S. App. LEXIS 6606
GEOGRAPHIC EXPEDITIONS, INC., Petitioner-Appellant, v. THE ESTATE OF JASON LHOTKA BY ELENA LHOTKA, executrix; SANDRA MENEFEE, Respondents-Appellees.
No. 09-15069
UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT
599 F.3d 1102; 2010 U.S. App. LEXIS 6606
March 11, 2010, Argued and Submitted, San Francisco, California
March 31, 2010, Filed
PRIOR HISTORY: [**1]
Appeal from the United States District Court for the Northern District of California. D.C. No. 3:08-cv-04624-SI. Susan Illston, District Judge, Presiding.
Geographic Expeditions, Inc. v. Estate of Lhotka, 2008 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 105691 (N.D. Cal., Dec. 29, 2008)
DISPOSITION: REVERSED and REMANDED.
CASE SUMMARY:

PROCEDURAL POSTURE: Respondents, a decedent’s estate and survivors, filed suit in a state court alleging, inter alia, that the decedent’s death from high altitude sickness was caused by the negligence of petitioner corporation’s employees. The corporation filed a petition to compel arbitration under 9 U.S.C.S. § 4. The U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California dismissed the petition for lack of subject matter jurisdiction. The corporation appealed.

OVERVIEW: The corporation contended that subject matter jurisdiction existed under 28 U.S.C.S. § 1332(a). The court found that the district court erred when it held that the corporation had to prove by a preponderance of the evidence that the amount in controversy exceeded $ 75,000 because the corporation did not remove the case from state to federal court and then file a motion to compel arbitration. Rather, the corporation commenced an action in federal court by filing a petition to compel arbitration. The legal certainty standard applied when a party filed a petition in federal court to compel arbitration, even when the opposing party was suing the federal petitioner in state court. The corporation’s allegation that it had a reasonable, good-faith belief that the damages exceeded $ 75,000 even though the state court complaint did not specify an amount was sufficient to confer subject matter jurisdiction on a federal court because it was not legally certain the amount in controversy was $ 75,000 or less. The district court erred when it dismissed for lack of subject matter jurisdiction the corporation’s petition to compel arbitration.

OUTCOME: The judgment was reversed and remanded for further proceedings.
CORE TERMS: amount in controversy, removal, subject matter jurisdiction, federal jurisdiction, preponderance, compel arbitration, arbitration, petition to compel arbitration, arbitration agreement, expedition, trip, jurisdictional amount, unenforceable, citizens of different states, evidence standard, burden to prove, altitude sickness, good faith, proponent, exceeded, specify, federal forum, state trial, exclusive of interest, burden of proof, parties agree, collateral estoppel, diversity jurisdiction, valid defense, unconscionable

COUNSEL: Rodney E. Gould, Rubin Hay & Gould P.C. for Geographic Expeditions, Inc., petitioner-appellant.
Daniel U. Smith, Law Office of Daniel U. Smith, David J. Bennion, Law Offices of David J. Bennion, for the Estate of Lhotka and Sandra Menefee, respondents-appellees.
JUDGES: Before: Betty B. Fletcher, Richard R. Clifton and Carlos T. Bea, Circuit Judges. Opinion by Judge Bea.
OPINION BY: Carlos T. Bea
OPINION
[*1104] BEA, Circuit Judge:
Geographic Expeditions, Inc. (“GeoEx”), appeals the district court’s dismissal of GeoEx’s petition to compel arbitration for lack of subject matter jurisdiction. Fed. R. Civ. P. 12(b)(1). GeoEx contends subject matter jurisdiction exists under [HN1] 28 U.S.C. § 1332(a), which provides federal jurisdiction over disputes between citizens of different states in which the amount in controversy exceeds $ 75,000 exclusive of interest and costs. The district court held that GeoEx had to establish by a preponderance of the evidence that the amount in controversy exceeded $ 75,000, and that, because a clause in the arbitration agreement [**2] limited damages to $ 16,831, GeoEx could not meet its burden. We conclude the district court erred both when it applied a preponderance of the evidence standard and when it held that the liability cap precludes federal jurisdiction. We therefore reverse and remand for further proceedings.

I. Factual and Procedural Background 1
1 We take these facts from the First Amended Complaint, on file in the district court, and declarations filed in support of and in opposition to the motion to dismiss. All are part of our record. See Trentacosta v. Frontier Pac. Aircraft Indus., Inc., 813 F.2d 1553, 1558-59 (9th Cir. 1987) (quoting 5C C. Wright & A. Miller, Federal Practice and Procedure, § 1363, at 653-54 (1969)).

The underlying dispute in this case arose out of a series of events on Mount Kilimanjaro in October 2007. GeoEx, a California corporation with its principal place of business in San Francisco, leads guided expeditions for profit to various [*1105] destinations throughout the world. Jason Lhotka, who was 37 years old, and his mother, Sandra Menefee, both citizens of Colorado, purchased tickets for a GeoEx expedition to Mount Kilimanjaro. As part of their registration for the trip, Lhotka and Menifee [**3] each signed a GeoEx trip participant contract, which included a provision requiring them to submit any dispute they might have with GeoEx to binding arbitration. The agreement further provided that the amount of recovery would be capped at “the sum of the land and air cost of my trip with GeoEx,” which the parties agree is $ 16,831. 2

2 The full text of the clause is:
I agree that in the unlikely event a dispute of any kind arises between me and GeoEx, the following conditions apply: (a) the dispute will be submitted to a neutral third-party mediator in San Francisco, California, with both parties splitting equally the costs of such mediator. If the dispute cannot be resolved through mediation, then (b) the dispute will be submitted for binding arbitration to the American Arbitration Association in San Francisco, California; (c) the dispute will be governed by California law; and (d) the maximum amount of recovery to which I will be entitled under any and all circumstances will be the sum of the land and air cost of my trip with GeoEx. I agree that this is a fair and reasonable limitation on the damages, of any sort whatsoever, that I may suffer.

The expedition began in Africa on September [**4] 29, 2007, and was to last until October 8, 2007. On October 1, Jason Lhotka began to suffer difficulty sleeping and experienced sudden onset of severe fatigue–early symptoms of high altitude sickness. On October 2, Jason Lhotka told the head expedition guide he needed to go back down the mountain because of his fatigue. He began his descent, accompanied by a GeoEx assistant guide. Although supplemental oxygen was available, it was not administered to Lhotka, nor was a rapid descent ordered, although such a route was also available. Both of these procedures are proper protocol for a person with high altitude sickness. On October 4, while descending the mountain, Lhotka died.
In July 2008, Lhotka’s estate and his survivors filed suit in San Francisco Superior Court alleging, inter alia, that Lhotka’s death from high altitude sickness was caused by the negligence of GeoEx employees in failing to recognize and treat Lhotka’s symptoms. In accord with California Code of Civil Procedure § 425.10(b), the state court complaint did not specify the amount of damages sought. In September 2008, GeoEx filed with the state court a motion to compel arbitration pursuant to the parties’ arbitration [**5] agreement. In December 2008, the state trial court denied GeoEx’s motion to compel arbitration; it held the arbitration agreement unconscionable and thus unenforceable. GeoEx appealed, and, on January 29, 2010, the California Court of Appeal affirmed. GeoEx then filed a petition for review with the California Supreme Court, which is currently pending. 3 In October [*1106] 2008–after filing in state court its motion to compel arbitration, but before the state trial court had ruled on the motion–GeoEx filed in federal district court the current petition to compel arbitration. The district court held that GeoEx had the burden to prove by a preponderance of the evidence that the amount in controversy exceeded $ 75,000 and that, because of the contractual damages limitation, recovery was limited to $ 16,831. Because GeoEx could not carry its assigned burden of proof, the district court dismissed GeoEx’s petition under Rule 12(b)(1) for lack of subject matter jurisdiction. This appeal from the order of dismissal timely followed.

3 Although the California Court of Appeal held the arbitration agreement to be unenforceable, that does not yet prevent the federal suit from proceeding. It is true that [**6] [HN2] “federal courts are compelled by the ‘full faith and credit’ statute” to give the same collateral estoppel and res judicata effects to state court judgments as would the courts of that state. Se. Res. Recovery Facility Auth. v. Montenay Int’l. Corp., 973 F.2d 711, 712 (9th Cir. 1992). However, the California Court of Appeal’s judgment that the arbitration agreement is unenforceable is not yet final. [HN3] Under California law, a judgment is not final for the purposes of collateral estoppel until it is free from the potential of a direct attack, i.e. until no further direct appeal can be taken. Abelson v. Nat’l Union Fire Ins. Co., 28 Cal. App. 4th 776, 35 Cal. Rptr. 2d 13, 19 (Ct. App. 1994). Here, the parties agree that the state court judgment is not yet final because GeoEx filed a petition for review in the California Supreme Court, which petition remains pending. Thus, this court can proceed on the merits.

II. Standard of Review
[HN4] We review de novo a district court’s dismissal for lack of subject matter jurisdiction. Crum v. Circus Circus Enters., 231 F.3d 1129, 1130 (9th Cir. 2000).
III. Analysis
A. Burden of Proof
The district court erred when it held GeoEx had to prove by a preponderance of the evidence that [**7] the amount in controversy exceeded $ 75,000. GeoEx filed a petition to compel arbitration under § 4 of the Federal Arbitration Act (“FAA”). Section 4 provides:
[HN5] A party aggrieved by the alleged failure, neglect, or refusal of another to arbitrate under a written agreement for arbitration may petition any United States district court which, save for such agreement, would have jurisdiction under title 28, in a civil action . . . of the subject matter of a suit arising out of the controversy between the parties, for an order directing that such arbitration proceed in the manner provided for in such agreement.

9 U.S.C. § 4. As the Supreme Court has explained, [HN6] § 4 “bestows no federal jurisdiction but rather requires for access to a federal forum an independent jurisdictional basis over the parties’ dispute.” Vaden v. Discover Bank, 129 S. Ct. 1262, 1271, 173 L. Ed. 2d 206 (2009). Thus, a federal court has jurisdiction over a petition to compel arbitration if the federal court would have jurisdiction over the underlying substantive dispute–here the negligence action filed by Lhotka’s estate and survivors. See id. at 1273.

[HN7] A federal court has jurisdiction over the underlying dispute if the suit is between citizens [**8] of different states, 4 and the amount in controversy exceeds $ 75,000 exclusive of interest and costs (i.e., diversity jurisdiction). 28 U.S.C. § 1332(a). Where the plaintiff originally files in federal court, “the amount in controversy is determined from the face of the pleadings.” Crum, 231 F.3d at 1131 (9th Cir. 2000). The amount in controversy alleged by the proponent of federal jurisdiction–typically the plaintiff in the substantive dispute–controls so long as the claim is made in good faith. Id. “To justify dismissal, it must appear to a legal certainty that the claim is really for less than the jurisdictional amount.” Id. (internal quotation omitted). This is called the “legal certainty” standard, which means a federal court has subject matter jurisdiction unless “upon the face of the complaint, it is obvious that the suit cannot involve the necessary amount.” St. Paul Mercury Indemnity Co. v. Red Cab Co., 303 U.S. 283, 292, 58 S. Ct. 586, 82 L. Ed. 845 (1938).
4 The parties concede this is a suit between citizens of different states.

On the other hand, [HN8] in a case that has been removed from state court to federal court under 28 U.S.C. § 1441 on the basis of diversity jurisdiction, the proponent of federal [**9] jurisdiction–typically [*1107] the defendant in the substantive dispute–has the burden to prove, by a preponderance of the evidence, that removal is proper. See Gaus v. Miles, Inc., 980 F.2d 564, 567 (9th Cir. 1992). The preponderance of the evidence standard applies because removal jurisdiction ousts state-court jurisdiction and “must be rejected if there is any doubt as to the right of removal in the first instance.” Id. at 566. This gives rise to a “strong presumption against removal jurisdiction [which] means that the defendant always has the burden of establishing that removal is proper.” Id. For these reasons, “[w]e strictly construe the removal statute against removal jurisdiction.” Id. 5

5 See also Shamrock Oil & Gas Corp. v. Sheets, 313 U.S. 100, 108-09, 61 S. Ct. 868, 85 L. Ed. 1214 (1941) (“The power reserved to the states under the Constitution to provide for the determination of controversies in their courts, may be restricted only by the action of Congress in conformity to the Judiciary Articles of the Constitution. Due regard for the rightful independence of state governments, which should actuate federal courts, requires that [federal courts] scrupulously confine their own jurisdiction to the precise limits [**10] which [§ 1441] has defined.”(internal quotation omitted)).

Here, the district court cited Sanchez v. Monumental Life Ins. Co., 102 F.3d 398, 404 (9th Cir. 1996)–a removal case–and held that, because Lhotka’s estate did not specify damages in its state court complaint, GeoEx had the burden to prove the amount in controversy was satisfied by a preponderance of the evidence. This was error, however, because GeoEx did not remove the case from state to federal court and then file a motion to compel arbitration. Rather, GeoEx commenced an action in federal court by filing a petition to compel arbitration. Because a parallel action to compel arbitration commenced in federal court does not oust state court jurisdiction, the presumption against removal jurisdiction and attendant preponderance of the evidence standard, found in removal cases, do not apply. 6 Thus, we hold that [HN9] the legal certainty standard applies when a party files a petition in federal court to compel arbitration, even when the opposing party is suing the federal petitioner in state court. Two other circuits have come to the same conclusion. E.g., Doctor’s Assocs., Inc. v. Hamilton, 150 F.3d 157 (2d Cir. 1998); Woodmen of the World Life Ins. Soc’y v. Manganaro, 342 F.3d 1213 (10th Cir. 2003).

6 Although [**11] the petitioner in a motion to compel arbitration is typically the defendant in the underlying substantive dispute, like the proponent of federal jurisdiction in a removal case, that does not mean the removal standard should apply in the non-removal context. When a case is removed to federal court, the federal court completely precludes the state court’s authority to adjudicate the controversy. A petition filed in federal court to compel arbitration is much less intrusive on state court jurisdiction. In fact, as this case demonstrates, it does not preclude the state action from proceeding in any way. Thus the rationale for the higher burden of proof is absent.

Under the legal certainty standard, the good faith allegations in GeoEx’s petition as to the amount in controversy suffice to establish the jurisdictional amount unless it appears legally certain that the amount in dispute is $ 75,000 or less. Here, GeoEx’s petition alleges that Lhotka’s damages in the state court action are reasonably in excess of $ 75,000. GeoEx bases this allegation on the fact that Lhotka’s state court complaint requests damages: (1) for the alleged wrongful death of Jason Lhotka, who was 37 years old at the [**12] time of the trip, was married, and had at least one dependant; (2) for loss of consortium for his wife and his son; (3) for fraud, misrepresentation, gross negligence, and intentional infliction of emotional distress; (4) for violations of California’s consumer fraud statutes; and (5) for funeral, medical, and burial expenses. GeoEx alleged [*1108] that, based on Lhotka’s requests in state court, it “has a reasonable, good-faith belief that the damages exceed $ 75,000” even though the state court complaint does not specify an amount. 7 This allegation is sufficient to confer subject matter jurisdiction on a federal court because it is not legally certain the amount in controversy is $ 75,000 or less.

7 As is perhaps quite predictable, Lhotka does not claim GeoEx’s allegation that the amount in controversy exceeds $ 75,000 is not made in good faith.
B. Potential Defenses
GeoEx’s potential defense to the state court action that the damages limitation restricts recovery to less than $ 75,000 (indeed, to $ 16,831) does not preclude federal jurisdiction. As the Supreme Court has explained, [HN10] “the fact that the complaint discloses the existence of a valid defense to the claim” does not eliminate federal [**13] jurisdiction, nor do events “occurring subsequent to the institution of suit which reduce the amount recoverable below the statutory limit.” St. Paul Mercury Indemnity Co., 303 U.S. at 289-90. This rule makes sense; just because a defendant might have a valid defense that will reduce recovery to below the jurisdictional amount does not mean the defendant will ultimately prevail on that defense. 8 Further, if a district court had to evaluate every possible defense that could reduce recovery below the jurisdictional amount the district court would essentially have to decide the merits of the case before it could determine if it had subject matter jurisdiction. This rule applies even though GeoEx is asserting the potential defense, and at the same time seeking a federal forum based on diversity jurisdiction.

8 Indeed, in the context of this case, the state court determined that the liability cap along with the rest of the arbitration agreement was unconscionable and therefore unenforceable.

Thus, the district court erred when it held the amount in controversy cannot exceed $ 16,831. The district court should not have relied on GeoEx’s potential contractual defense to determine the amount [**14] in controversy. Because it does not appear to a legal certainty that the underlying amount in controversy is below $ 75,000, the district court erred when it dismissed for lack of subject matter jurisdiction GeoEx’s petition to compel arbitration.

REVERSED and REMANDED